While you certainly do make some points, you also seem to be confusing a few. In short, when enslaving Christians became illegal in North America, some of the newly freed white slave became slave owners and overseers. They became very wealthy and powerful at the expense of their foes and rivals. Probably. Youll probably end up as one next lifetime. And so white planters were secured in their thinking that slaves were disposable because they could easily be created. Like many ancient lands, Ireland has seen the arrival of settlers, explorers, ancient tribes, and clans of all different nationalities over centuries. But this example is of the opposite. Remember one thing and one thing only..irish slavery did happen in the Americas and in the West Indies! That Slavery is colour blind but profit centred. Rich in history and proud in its Celtic roots, the Irish identity is worn like a badge of honour. The African slave trade was a better deal. I want to thank everyone for reading my postit was a topic Ive been pondering for a while..I was tired of being asked the same questions over and over..your last name is Irish but you are black. So what is it that makes all so called White skinned folks exactly like one another? Irish indentured servants were not emancipated. Cole Continued. That meant they came here and worked their debt off and paid for their freedom. Race was judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. No one could understand the African language. The Black Irish - what are the truths and what are the myths? The Healy familiar is a wonderful exemplar. On This Day: Arthur Guinness, founder of the Dublin brewery, died in 1803. Australian actor Jason Donovan is one of the most famous people with the surname Donovan. How about the Hellenic slaves in Sparta who were not only slaves but hunted and killed by Spartans in training. The Celts arrived on the island about the year 500 B.C. 'Black Irish' is often a description of people of Irish origin who had dark features, black hair, dark complexion and eyes. Where did you find this information? Im English Scandinavian Western Europe Eastern Europe, European Jew Irish my oldest ancestry comes from Africa I along with all of you are the human race we are imperfect people frail to a fault trying to make life better for each other. Origins of the Most Common Irish Surnames and First Names. The powers that be, have kept a lot of the truth where history covered up because, its all so ugly as well as in humane!!!!!!!! What have the IRISH contributed to Louisisanas unique and amalgamated cultural heritage like the Cajuns, Creoles and blacks have?!!!!! Why do we continue to ignore the pain of others? There are a number of Irish Surnames like Duffy that specifically refer to Black. An indentured servant has the chance to earn their freedom, a slave does not. Today some 6.7 million people live on the Emerald Isle. At what point did marrying an Irish person stop being illegal and considered bestiality? The only notable distinction is that the import/export of slaves reached a pinnacle during the colonization of the Americas era and Blacks were the main slave stock being exchanged at the time. Just to add the most interesting reference was to Dubhdaleithe adopted in Ireland as a first name according to that link. Indentured servitude was a poular way of dealing with criminals theoughout the entirety of the British Isles. My name is John Orr and im dark ass hell any Orrs on here. Maine had the highest population of Blake families in 1840. Thanks for this fascinating post. Always a good idea not to counter generalizations with more generalizations and no sources. Press Esc to cancel. Comedian Frankie Boyle, as well as musician Susan Boyle, are two of the most well known Boyles. I would claim nothing from their bloodline!!!!! They resented having to serve in the civil war and dis honored black soldiers but they fly Confederate flags proudly. In 1840 there were 196 Blake families living in Maine. @wolfsilveroak I suggest you re-read the book. Murray 19. Sure there is a difference, but servant is a perhaps a misnomer. Fitz means son of and it would often come before the fathers forename. Do this; check the census records and slave owner property records. Was that what drove the slave trade in the last millenia? Much of their strange language is left over from the Gaelic that once was spoken widely in those hills. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. Slavers were greed driven sadists. Paris Donnatella is an avid writer and traveller. Carran A spelling variant of Curran, this Irish surname is an anglicized form of ' Corraidhin' referring to 'descendant of Corraidhin.' The word Corraidhin is derived from 'Corradh' which means 'little spear.' Indentured servitude is a form of slavery not *voluntary servitude*. Louisiana is one hundred apologetically AFRICAN roots. However it took a while for them to be recognized as equals, even when JFK was elected as the first real Irishman to be president!!!!!. My great great great great grandfathers name is the same as mine. I think you should be careful in your condemnation of what you apparently arent aware of, Gaelic Catholic culture of Ireland was subjected to English Protestant Supremacy, and Penal Laws imposed by the English Parliamentarian Cromwell in his brutal conquest of Ireland saw to it that the Gaelic Catholic culture be prohibited. You should be ashamed of yourself and I suspect that this is a troll site rather than a site ran by a person of African descent. Cromwells cruelty was a race and ethnic cleansing..ridding the Kingdom of the remnants of its ancient Black population. Had you read the history on it you know this but even without a history lesson you shouldve been able to logically reason this out abecause in order for us to have their last names it would HAVE TO MEAN THAT THEY WERENT SLAVES AT THE TIME because slaves arent allowed to have their name live on only free people did The large wave of Irish immigrants to the US in the 19th century has no direct lineage with the Barbados group, were granted the status of whiteness very early, and were actively involved in violent attacks on Blacks, Asians and other ethnic groups competing for jobs. Irish slavery is a subject worth remembering, not erasing from our memories. Hackett was later hung for what he did. Famous Fitzgeralds include singer Ella Fitzgerald and writer F. Scott Fizgerald. Have you met Jesus . I met this white Irish woman she said we were labeled as the mean black Irish. The term is commonly used to describe people of Irish origin who have dark features, black hair, a dark complexion and dark eyes. Dudley or Dudlly is my family name . You all talking rubbish, Under 800 years of English rule millions of irish died at the hand of the British. Surnames today: There are many different origins for Irish names today but the vast majority can be broken down into either of three categories: Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and finally Anglo-Irish. You dont have to deny the history of one peoples suffering to expose that of the other. Dunne 28. O'Connell 26. According to Irish history, the Maguires held Fermanagh from the 13th to the 17th centuries. Thanks for sharing. English actress, singer, and television personality Claire Sweeney is the most famous person with the surname Sweeney. Please do your own research to find out about white slavery in the Americas. The fact is that any white male could sexually assault a black woman with impunity. Such things only serve to bring further division among human beings. They could understand the Irish. The Iber inhabited Spain/Portugal which they named after themselves, the Iberian Peninsular, they were later chased out by barbarians into a new land they also named after themselves, Hibernia (Literally the land of the Hebrews) which is Ireland. From a young age, nomadic parents placed a strong emphasis on education in real experience and the outdoors - a trait which has carried through her life and into her career. THe Irish slavery myth is a white supremacists push back against the very real phenomenon of southern slavery. Judging history, or whole groups of people through myopic glasses is not only intellectually dishonest but harmful in the modern practice of superimposing everything over the wrongs of the past. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDVhUQXElTE. and then share it for the world to see. One of the most famous people with the name Campbell is model and actress Naomi Campbell. Physical race traits such as skin color were used much later as a justification for slavery, not a motivation to start it. You did not do it, I did not do it, you did not go through it, and I did not go through it, you are shaped more by the world around you now, and I am shaped more by the world around me now. The same empire founded the North American Colonies. If a slave owner named Washington or Jefferson bred an Irish slave with an enslaved African, why would he give the surname of the Irish slave to the offspring? Therefore, this preposterous on-going debate only goal is to keep the Blacks monopolizing the atrocious history of slavery. The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. that came out of these early times. Im getting pretty sick of people (of all races) whitewashing the oppression of the Irish from history because it doesnt fit with the white skin = oppressors, everyone else = victims narrative. One generation after another. Perhaps this is were we can find common ground and open the conversation of race relations. The Plantation of Ulster in the seventeenth century saw the arrival of English and Scottish colonists in Ulster after the Flight of the Earls. Wants take a guess on my choice of colors ; Brown, White, Blue, and Black . But it seems that your fellow Irish forgot both about the atrocities done to them and working side by side with African slaves. Theres no question that the Irish werent treated very well. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.amp.html, My last name is Doyle since I been on Facebook Ive learned there is alot of people in Jamaica with last name as mine I am in Chicago and its alot of us scattered through the city but it very nice to know we are Doyles all over the world beautiful black people. Famous ONeills include Eugene ONeill, who was the only American playwright to ever receive the Nobel Prize for Literature. We need to revisit the discussion from a fresh perspective. http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=dudley, Claims its origins are Anglo-Saxon name associated with Worcestershire, England: Slaves were never considered to be humans, but rather, chattel, and were subject to the whoms of their masters. Actresses Kerrie Keane and Dolores Keane, as well as football manager Roy Keane, are three of the most famous Keanes. The KKK was waning so they turned their hatred back to the Irish. However, this isnt auditing who had it better and who had it worse!!! The notion that plantation owners fathered most mixed children is also false. The slave owners of my ancestors were Dingles. Is a Black slave with an Irish father any less Irish than African? Great to hear the truth that MOST BRITISH dont want to hear COLM MAHER. Modern examples of Irish/African being Barack Obama, Muhammad Ali, Dr Martin Luther King, Dr Henry Louis Gates, Colin Powell etc Even in modern times the two groups live in a lot of the same places, vote the same way politically, and both historically have been devalued unfairly by the Romanized world. And dont realise you are all from the one race- the human race. History is only created in the past . Today, there are many different variations of Irish surnames, but most commonly, they can be divided into three categories. Though bigotry definitely had its part to play, the root of the issue, was nevertheless mostly about making a profit at the expense and exploitation of these slaves. Truth is, there was and is a huge ethnic and national diversity in Africa, and between those groups some had conquered others. It does not, however, change the fact that the *numbers* of Irish taken and sold into indenturehood or outright slavery in this article are not born out by any factual evidence. All of the people I have ever met with the last name Orr have been white, Im a brown girl. .and the slaves owners trusted their long time slaves than the white indentured servants who could killed the plantation owner and pass for his newly arrived cousin . British actress and screenwriter Emer Kenny is one of the most well-known Kennys. No Irish Catholic had the right to own land in Ireland. Close, youd do well in not stopping there. We dont really need to go through all of the gory details, do we? These new mulatto slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. Your comment about liberals is also misdirected, they dont seem to be making the argument for Irish slavery. If they were able to keep their names and their identities, there is no way that Irish people were treated as poorly as African people. Actress Kristen Bell is one of the most famous people with this name. This may have some truth but how does this compare with Jim Crow and the continued racism experienced by Blacks in 2015? The vast majority of labourers who agreed to this system did so voluntarily, but there were many who were forcibly transplanted from the British Isles to the colonies and sold into indentured service against their will. William Downing and Philip Welch. The mental gymnastics required to equate having Irish last names and black Americans with the Irish having been slaves right along side us is astounding. This very old and famous surname, equally popular in Scotland and England, has at least two possible origins, the first being a nickname given by the invading Angles and Saxons to the native Celts and Britons who were darker-haired and darker-skinned than themselves. As I said an Irish female slave mating with an African slave could not transfer his last name because it was the name of a white owner, if an Irish male slave mated with an African slave she would not get his slave name, it would be the property of the white owner, riddle us this??? Very few are disputing that the British were horrific to the Irish, and to some extent, the Scottish as well. Or the African names were difficult to pronounce and not common to them so they gave them a name that was easier? My Mom is Caucasion and Scottish. The Romans anyone? Not only are the facts part of the story but so is the comparison. The O or preceding a second name means the grandson of or descendant of and is a common feat in Irish surnames. These include Gaelic Irish, Cambro-Norman, and Anglo-Irish last names. I have never heard of these Irish. Dingle is English but common in Ireland. It is claimed that the Spanish married into Irish society and created a new class of Irish who were immediately recognizable by their dark hair and complexion. Walsh Irish spelling: Breathnach Meaning: Welshman. Note: It was pointed out to me that there is a difference between indentured servitude and slavery. plenty an irish female married black african men. also England is a lot rougher place to live than Ireland the ira keep the drugs out of catholic communitys. This article is not stretching the truth, it is flat-out lying to you. Ireland and its culture are known world-over. An indentured servant is not a slave. The Huns and Mongols did it. Natives did not participate in the slave trade. that because they werent born into chattel their plight isnt worth acknowledgement. Condem slavery not the people trying to highlight history. Its usually done to earn money for the commissary or to pay back a debt to the person they committed the crime on. My theory contrary to the hypotheses here is America has made any skin color not light or white a lower lifeforms hence Irish are white Im I wrong. Well than do research and prove yourself right instead of arguing out of not knowing. Namaste. My grandfather gave me His name..I lived with him in the flesh https://sudbury.ma.us/services/news_story.asp?id=259, Im Dutch and this is only the second time Ive read about this in my life.. It is possible that the arrival of large numbers of Irish after the famine into America, Canada, Australia, and beyond resulted in their being labeled as "black" in that they escaped from this new kind of black death. Actress Lauren Graham is one of the most famous Grahams. It is said that the first family of Black were converted to Christianity by Paulinus, the head of the family being Prefect of Lincoln, about 628. One of the most famous ODohertys is Irish stand-up comedian David ODoherty. The Scots-Irish are not Irish. They fought their fellow Irishmen in the Confederate army who had similiar motivations. A slave was property and could be killed if the owner chose to do so. Nowhere in the article did the author claim that the treatments to the Irish were worse. Saying that she believes Ireland - her homeland - is the most enchanting place she has ever been and is passionate about documenting the Emerald Isle. Slavery in any format is wrong. In parts of India the caste system locks some segments of society into servitude. They have suffered nothing but a lack of potatoes and cabbages. Meaning: Son of the blacksmith. Everyone knows a mulatto slave is more than a pure irish slave or pure African slave!!!!!! If These men are in jail serving time for committing a crime, I have no sympathy for them or anyone else serving time. The Irish were never slaves, they were indentured servants. The most common Irish surnames in Ireland haven't changed much for a century. I have noticed since I was very young that a full one-third or more (approximately) of mixed race couples I see there will be a black male and a red headed white female. Ireland Before You Die (IB4UD) is the biggest Irish travel and culture website. Australian model and actor Julian MacMahon is one of the most famous MacMahons. Moonshine? People hardly wanna learn African names now and wanna say Ill call you _______ but anyway I have an Irish last name because of my moms dad but I also have a French last name that originated in Germany. Last name: Black. Located off the western shores of Great Britain, the small island nation packs quite a punch when it comes to its heritage. Many people today will avoid calling the Irish slaves what they truly were: Slaves. Yes they did. I think that this article is an insult to the horrors that blacks had to go through during slavery. the Irish along with other white Europeans were considered Indentured ServantsIndentured Servants were those people who owed money..or inherited family debts..and could work off the debts..some of these people were brought over to do just that..after they earned their way out of debt they were free from obligationfurthermore their day to day lives while being indentured were less stringent than that of the African slave.this articles conflates the status of slave and indentured servant as being similar when they were absolutely notindentured servants actually had rights..yes they were treated miserably..but their status was far higher than that of a black man or womanfurthermore the statement that there were no Irish slave owners in the Americas is absolutely inaccurateso to infer that every black person with an Irish last name is the result of the mixing of these indenture servants who lovingly gave their last names to offspring is simply off baseand perpetuates serious misinformation. Its about connecting the dots. Another 30,000 Irish men and women were also transported and sold to the highest bidder. could not agree more british took irish men in the 70s and 80s in belfast beat and tortured them the british government was later charged with crimes of humanity by the european courts. My Uncle Lon, born in the U.S. was shot in the head by the KKK in Sudbury Massachusetts back in the twenties. This is a human issue, not a race one. Words are powerful, they are spells (we are spelling) the word black in middleages means pale. 2) Even if it were 100,000 of them (which it wasnt) , it is already documented that many of them were indentured servants-not slaves and theres a huge difference! If Irish and blacks suffer slavery together, why is it only the blacks that lost their surnames and the Irish somehow retained their surnames and a knowledge of who they were [IRISH]?!? No one in the homeland was safe. If you cant even get that right!!!! IT IS A SPIRIT THAT DOES NOT CARE FOR ANY RACEKNOW THAT TO ANY CAUCASION OR TO THE TRIBES OF ISRAEL XOXO, [] How Blacks have Irish Last Names [], Lies. Schools should teach more about this stuff, because its part of a neighbouring history which may not be NOT told. To add to it the female is usually severely overweight about half the time. When such a small society is reduced in such a short time by nearly half (during the famine) theres a whole host of socio-phycological problems that ensue, one youll be familiar with we often make light of now a days when it comes to The Irish is: alcoholism, but also extreme poverty, broken families, etc, which Im sure you can relate with as a member of the African American community in the United States am I right? Rihanna was also bullied for her lighter skin. I am a Jamaican and I do know, based on teaching, that whites were experimented as slaves for a short period; however they failed to be productive in the climate and harsh conditions. Thanks for your research. Not just the Irish. Full history, EXPLAINED. Irelands population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. Copyright 2019 - 2023 Ireland Before You Die | Trading under, TOP 100 Irish surnames / last names (info & facts). Am Afro-American. there is another book to read; which indicates that the so-called American Revolution was spurred on by slave revolts in the west indies. All of those point to it being English, British, Anglo-Saxon in origin not Irish or Gaelic or Irish-Gaelic for that matter. Second, how does the Civil War, even if it were just about slavery, diminish the atrocities of slavery, war, and maltreatment of the Irish? This is a larger issue that could unify people against those who are demonically possessed but still call shots. The naming game where did the term 'Black Irish' come from? It would be interesting to know why they are attracted to each other. Famous ORourkes are child actresses and sisters Tammy and Heather ORourke. According to reports from the Central Statistics Office, Murphy is the most popular last name in Ireland. So not forgotten but definitely no true or meaningful comparison. Famous owners of the Irish last name Byrne include actress Rose Byrne, actor Gabriel Byrne, and singer and Westlife member Nicky Byrne. Daly 25. the diffrence is the irish support other oppressed nations not cry that they were treated worst. The Irish, Native Americans, Africans and those native to the islands were classified as savages, not because of skin color, but because they did not ascribe to the supremacy of Protestantism. Reblogged this on Simply Etta D. and commented: I wish the writer had included some references. And it seems that this strategy to retitle oneself to reveal ones stance or clan was a popular thing to do. I had learned of indentured servitude among the Europeans. In the middle east a milder form of it still exists. There were no Irish people born in America as a slave based on their mother being a slave.. This article is merely an attempt to connect whites to Deuteronomy within the KJV Bible. Nevertheless, from research, it appears the most likely reason for this term in Irish culture is to describe an intent as dark invaders or black foreigners of the Irish country. Its my understanding that there are still people enslaved, although it is done secretly, and/or the laws are manipulated to accommodate itbut its still happening, yet today. 9. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. that is not true they are mixed rihannna the singer her father is of irish desent . It was written in the year 916 A.D. that the lord of Aidhne, Tigherneach Ua Cleirigh, died in County Galway. Once they were accepted as white around the Depression, they quickly became as racist as any other white person during that time and hurriedly left the neighborhoods they were living in with Blacks. Variant of Doherty. Please advise. Walsh (35358) 4. Something to keep in mind as you read. Whereas black African slaves were COMPLETELY stripped of their identity and had to assume the surname of their master. Though slavery did and still occurs worldwide, chattel slavery was an American created tradition whereby the condition of the mother indicated whether or not a child was born free or enslaved. Spreading these values will end modern slavery, and help us make the entire history of slavery a thing of the past. There were black slave owners as well, so to say that you doubt that they were slaves because such and such was an Irish slave owner is crazy. We are, however, disputing the numerical facts posited in this article. A modern Irish variant spelling is Conchir. Copyright 2023 Irish Studio LLC All rights reserved. http://library.law.umn.edu/irishlaw/subjectlist.html, And this documentary shows the conditions of life for Irish catholics during that time. So, in a nutshell, after killing millions in an engineered genocide in Ireland, the ruling class developed a conscience suddenly and Irish people got full human status in Antigua? The mass exodus from Ireland has been a result of famine, war, and conflict throughout Irelands history. Read it again. Murphy 2. It is thought that this Irish last name might, in fact, be the oldest surname in Europe! @My Creole Belle You are a perfect example of exactly why the oppressed Irish and blacks never came together and united against their common oppressors; because the oppressors (the ruling class of white racists) loved nothing more than to play the lesser races off against each other. Black Irish tend to be from the West Coast and North West Ireland which is where the trading went on. 10. However, we do know that numerous Norman invaders did settle in Ireland and integrate into Irish society. As poor people in the same boat, yes there were relationships, marriages etc. go and read about cromwell in ireland. In fact, many Norman invasion families grew to amend their family names (surnames) to reflect this. Idiotic! Great article. We need to move past focusing on just one point in history to see the big picture. For I come from many origins but the one of royalty is bmy great grandfathers, Mothers, Aunts , Uncles whom colonized , partaken in this horrible, horiffic , cruel in human act of the wealthiest plantations and plantation owners.My heart aches for what youve been put through and each and every descendants and ancestors.. With this, Irish people and families began to associate with the collective surname of ODubhghaill. Dubhthaigh, anglicized to Duffy, comes from an Irish name meaning black or swarthy. Did irish people have it worse than blacks??? The surname may be your first clue to mixed-blood heritage. and; https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/04/19/how-myth-irish-slaves-became-favorite-meme-racists-online. All this purity has got to go, and the truth come out!!! Slave owners would hang their human property by their hands and set their hands or feet on fire as one form of punishment. A few known facts and a few overstated kernels of truth give a false, gleaming varnish of Truth Exposed when twisted around implications and presumptions based on false logic, when theyre confidently stated as reality, and lead the non-critical reader to unquestioningly believe exactly what the writer has skewed their words to lead them to believe. After the Armada of 1588, Spanish soldiers married Irish women and integrated into society. Reblogged this on familytreegirldotcom and commented: knew their origins. Argentina, Mexico, and New Zealand also share in high numbers of Irish descendants. So it comes as no surprise that no matter where you go, you tend to run into classic Irish names. I always wondered why a lot of families there had Irish last names (Riley, Dubbery etc.) I am a Kyle from Scotland I am scotch-Irish they were indentured servants and free men. To review, my points are thus: I read How the Irish Became White. The brits found you in the new world, the so called African Americans are really the native americans- the moors. The Central Statistics Office regularly records Walsh as one of the most common surnames in Ireland. GG Father, May , a wealthy man owned African/Native American Slaves in parts of Georgia and sired two sets of children. Famous Sheehans include bass guitarist Billy Sheehan and American writer Susan Sheehan. This type if reporting saddens me and is quite irresponsible.
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