And I appear quite harmless, too. Could be to cover their own asses. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. This Feb. 13, 2017, file photo released by the Indiana State Police shows a man walking along the trail system in Delphi, Ind., authorities say is the suspect in the killings of two teenage girls. Of course she did. Notice that BG committed his crime with large knives or hatchets, his preferred weapon. A few people were claiming it was Abby leaned against a tree with her face covered in blood, claw marks on the ground, and a pool of blood a few feet away. Not so much for 15 year old girls. And two girls were abducted there also. Please email if you do not want to reply here. Phallic objects, specifically a log and a doll, placed next and perpendicular to the genitals of the girls to give the impression that they were being sexually penetrated by these objects. LE doesnt have much in the way of good, solid evidence against Mr. X. Some of this confusion is probably natural, since the the whole B family has gone underground. Thats actually how I was pointed to you because apparently, I copied from you (YouTube actually deleted these comments too ). She has channeled her pain into grief and sadness. The boots appear to be Indiana Packers boots. White scarf covering the lower half of his face. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. Only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls phones after the crime. The friend texted a man named David, who claims to have found the bodies, because there were alleged crime scene photos leaked online. Come on, people. BG is a 50 year old man. Feel free to post about any unsolved case you think is interesting, high profile preferred. DELPHI - The year 2021 should be filled with cap & gowns, graduation parties, and college choices for Libby German and Abby Williams. So hes a murderer. Too much points to them to be coincidence. Just thought I would draw your attention to it. This is why you dont hear LE openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they have enough evidence to take them to trial. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. There are cases like this all over the country. The Narcotics detective did not work on the case. The category below Proven is ally called Unverified with Different Qualifications. The rest are guardians. Instead, their families are holding on to the hope that this is the year their killer is brought to justice. This year, Allen "again admitted" to police "that he was on the trail but denied knowing Victim 1 or Victim 2 and denied any involvement in their murders," according to the probable cause affidavit. Then come email me and I will send you a link to the private group and a password to get you in. Clown. Police officers announced about the Delphi massacre. I have the images but Im not sure they are accurate. Weve been proven correct on eight different things that only the police could have known. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing.. It was stated that Libby was nude. This sub is for discussion of the case that's come to be known as the Delphi Murders. Occupation: Handicrafter making wooden signs. The probable cause affidavit did reveal that clothes belonging to the girls were found in a creek south of where their bodies were discovered. In a press conference on Monday, the state police took the first step towards providing justice to the brutally killed juveniles. If the DA does not think he has enough evidence in a homicide case to win in court, they wont take it to trial. All other POIs are dropped or cleared at least as being the killers themselves. If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. "We will get answers. People may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. You Go Girl! If so, wouldnt the coroner be able to obtain DNA from the fetus? The shocking new details about the murders that have rocked the community of Delphi, Indiana, for more than five years came to light in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent. I get the impression that LE thought that this officer was lying and were trying to offer him some protection. Here's what we've learned and what remains unclear: Abby and Libby, best friends in the eighth grade, were on a hiking trail in rural Delphi when they were killed in February 2017. IMO I believe "keep them away" was re: bystanders, but for what it's worth, it's debated. Friends with Ron Logan on whose property the crime occurred. Today we will Discuss about Delphi murders: Crime Scene| Press Conference Update| Bodies Posed. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Today is the day.. Great to see you back on the case! We would say it is low. The manner of death has never been revealed. Im thinking theres around 10 more people, in addition to the four youve mentioned, that are involved with a retaliation/revenge motive. Here's the Update in His Case. We think they were working in a packing plant in the Delphi area and then were transferred to a sister plant in the Evansdale area. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. I read 1 of them is still in grief counseling for it- so im pretty sure she doesnt wanna talk about it. Im leaving it at that. LE asked him to move the vehicle. San Francisco's ultra-luxurious Four Seasons Residences sells just 13 of its 146 apartments, as street crime and drug abuse are blamed for deterring prospective buyers including Steph and Ayesha Curry, Top female cop is SUSPENDED without pay for 120 days by New Orleans' Police Department after she was 'caught filing timesheets while doing private security work'. Have you wrote about what the investigators talked to RL about? The YouTube channel Zav Girl broke down the text messages in a video entitled "Text Messages from the Guy that found Abby and Libby? However, he was one of the searchers who found the bodies, and he was also known to have searched the area in the dark the previous evening. before that he was at dump and after that he went to fish store. A suspect has been arrested and charged in connection with the murders of two Indiana teens who were slain on a hiking trail near Delphi, Indiana, more than five years ago, Indiana State Police. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. FBI agent believed bodies 'staged' in Delphi murders | wthr.com Delphi murder investigators focus on social media profile Watch on Who is the creator behind anthony_shots' fake profile? Only a deer kit looks just like that. Lists a factory as place of residence. I am trying to be vague. Im nothing at all like how they describe me. Pretty soon these fucking machines that are dumber than rocks are going to be making all sorts of unappealable decisions about our lives because the capitalists are too greedy to hire a real human to do the job, so they buy a machine instead. These are the facts about the man LE suspects is BG. Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. Is he into numerology? Im the one who did it. Thats why he has those Packers boots on. We now have a better time frame for Mr. Xs truck being parked at the cemetery. When investigators got that device, they found that many files had been deleted and social media apps uninstalled. I DO think that if there is evidence of staging that insinuates a methodology , therefore suggests it could be a serial killer. Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. Thats probably your answer. Sometimes there are deliberate injuries to the mouth, including bullet wounds, as a sign that someone "talked.". These people are from all over the country and have expertise in all sorts of different areas. Mr. X has is not even at the Person of Interest stage in this case. Thanks. He was arrested on charges of child sexual abuse images and child exploitation tied to the account and admitted to grooming underage girls online. Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. What did Ron Logan have to say about the BG photo? Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing, the agent wrote. David, the person involved in the leaked text messages, claimed that the girls died from stabbing. Kegan Kline, 28, of Peru, Indiana, was named as a possible suspect in the girls' murders. Not quite sainthood, but getting there. These photos were posted years ago by Robert Lindsey. Suspect: Ok, you got me. The comments below have not been moderated, By Allen's wife confirmed to police that he owns a blue Carhartt jacket, the document said. Expunged just means taken out of public records. Since Libby and Abby were young, and the perpetrator is between 18 and 40, according to the statistics would that indicate a possible attempt to thwart the investigation? 2/13, 2:13, 2-13. Abby Williams and Libby German were found dead on Feb. 14, 2017. How would she be a few weeks pregnant by a guy that just raped her? The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. Of course, there are trolls saying that the information Ive given is info thats already known. They all go off and do their own work. If so, this proves that this crime was planned nearly down to the minute. I love you and the information youre releasing! In the actual footage you can see flash bulbs popping off, presumably taking pics of the scene. 9) He has killed before. This girl was refusing to get an abortion that he wanted her to get. Because that is a deer kit around his waist. The roommate also said he suspected Mr. X of the Evansdale Murders because during the time of the Evansdale Murders, Mr. X and the roommate were both over in Evansdale being put up in hotels for months while they worked on a plant there. And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. In an Oct. 13, 2022, interview, Allen told police he saw juvenile girls on the trails east of Freedom Bridge and said he went onto the Monon High Bridge, near where the girls were killed. She cited instances of abuse and alcoholism. Seeing as there were multiple signatures left at the scene, I'm inclined to believe the killer(s) both posed the bodies and staged the crime scene. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. We believe he just told LE she was coming, it went out over the scanner, and she never showed up. The investigators do believe that the suspect either lives or works in Delphi, Ind. I am thinking of reasons why the FBI was immediately involved and now the focus is not on a possible interstate killer. She was found in an ivory/white dress. I dont know this man very well, but he wasnt in on this crime. She still hasnt been able to process this, assuming such a thing can ever be processed. How bout taking it to heed, everyone? By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. We believe Mr. X stayed with the truck all that time in order to watch it. Sex workers talk, rumours saved a lot of workers in Vancouver during Picktons reign of terror. This March marks the 30 th anniversary of the murder of 21 year-old Penn State student, Dana Bailey. Bruce was noted for having a similar stature to the man seen in the Delphi video, and also wore similar clothes during his St. Louis crime as the man in the video Libby and Abby took. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. The doc is his property. David shot that down, and he then explained how what he saw differed from these images. Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. The suspect in a still from the video taken on Libby German's phone. "He put himself at the scene, on the bridge.". This is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 PM on the day of the murders, a full hour before BG probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 PM, saw a man who looked like the Young BG sketch. But now we have an excellent regular LE source close to the investigation giving us regular updates, the best LE source weve ever had. Leave this poor man alone, for Gods sake. Theres a connection that has been missed! We agree with that because we think they were sitting in his pocket the whole time! And he never meets anyone for any reason. Very hard to really tell anything a lot of shadows from trees and debris on ground. Ages approximate. Im a retired homicide detective I know what Im talking about. The idea that a gag order was issued on this truck is an unconfirmed rumor. These seem to have been packing plant workers in the Delphi area who get transferred over to the Evansdale area for periods of time to work on sister plants over there. Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at as packing plant in the Delphi area, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant near Evansdale. The accusation is that she knows something or knows way too much and is covering for someone, presumably the killer. Finally, after five long years, the Indiana State Police has charged a 50-year-old local man with the Delphi murders of two teenage best friends, Libby German and Abby Williams. Say for instance LE arrested Mr. X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls. If u could see one, u could see the other. Theyre swarming all over this crime scene, and the killer is standing right here under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours, and these coptards cant figure this out. We think he likes to fool and troll LE. Where is the balance? On February 14, 2017, the bodies of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German were discovered off a hiking trail in Delphi, Indiana, United States, after the young girls had disappeared from the same trail the previous day. You say that you dont even have a suspect, and youre waiting on that one tip to come in, but youre worried about double jeopardy? Corn fields? CN: Middle aged man, resident of Delphi. Photo: Courtesy Mike and Becky Patty. Mr. X also cuts up a lot of deer that he shoots for food. Why do kids play make-believe? Delphi murders: Killer staged bodies and may have taken souvenir, new documents reveal Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby. But how could they possibly know this? I love true crime and listen to a bunch of podcasts and books. No one knows if Mr. X is guilty or not. Im not sure how he got there, if he drove a car, or if so, where he parked it. "Why would the police withhold [the cause of death]? Thank u. Delphi Murders if bodies were staged or posed what does that say about the killer Found an interesting article regarding the act of stating and posing bodies. You mentioned a pic of CSI workers with a doll a couple of days ago did anything come of this? I found who mr. X is. We do not have a copy of that gag order, but we were told that one had been issued by the courts. In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. Over the years numerous people have have been put forth as possible suspects in the case. CM: Not even going to bother to reveal his name. Allen has been booked into jail, but no details of any charges made against him have been shared. The trail in Delphi, Indiana, where Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, were killed on Feb. 13, 2017. DELPHI New chilling details have emerged involving the Delphi deaths investigation. I also thought about whether the finders might have covered a body somewhat, but assume that they would have reported that anyway. Ive never heard about all these details this is crazy. I think he already knew that they would be there. The killings were later nicknamed the Snapchat Murders after Abby took a photo of Libby at around 2:17 p.m. and put it on social media. No, I Dont Lack Credibility or Legitimacy, Alt Left: Hate the Collective But Love the Individual. Is that also speculation? I dont know about you, but when I go to a nearby town, I dont generally take my cellphone and throw it in a bunch of weeds for the five hours that I was gone, coming back to my home hours later to retrieve it from the weeds. As you can see, the numbers are the same. However, Mindtruth has done a number of episodes on our information and I thank Bruce for that very much. There is a suspected child killer in the Bay Area who is responsible for 5-10 child murders. I cannot remember which girl had taken the photo of the man on the bridge with her cell phone, but I had read somewhere that on that cell phone there was audio of her saying something about a weird man approaching them and that is why she took the photo. when you send someone a file, you retain a copy for yourself. So if he wore Packers boots to do his crime, he would have been able to cross that cold stream where the water is knee-deep. I guess he cant make up his mind. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings. Bottom line is our theories now are dramatically more accurate than the 85% error rate we had earlier. Let us know if you want to join the private sleuthing site where we can talk about this stuff in much greater detail than we do out here. John Kelly has some good information. Allen was arrested on Friday in connection to the murders - the first big break in the case. The problem is that there is a main suspect in the case, and it is known that he was near the crime scene from 6:30 PM on the 13th until 9:30 PM on the 14th. I saw the picture and while I could see the "face", I didn't see the rest of what people were claiming to see. I must have the wrong name for your POI? Chilling photo uploaded to Facebook a year after Delphi murders shows arrested man's daughter, 28, pose in SAME spot where victims took final snaps . I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow. Press J to jump to the feed. The girls bodies were found near a hiking trail on February 14, 2017 a day after they went missing while on a walk during a day off from school. Find these clothes, they will be what solves this! BG himself is both the catfish young man and the older man who is the actual killer, so he is both sketches at once, obviously. But that too could have been either misleading or true. He killed at least five people, specializing in young women. We have an LE source, a detective in Indiana, who told us just that. I am friends with one of the parents and to my knowledge, no one has been told if this was sexual or not, only people have speculated. Some new info here. Unless he made them undress -- which I guess is possible -- was there some other weapon used?". Im confused. Granted, we dont have any evidence that this is true other than Leigh Kerrs statements. Alex Oliveira For Dailymail.Com, $49m to live four blocks from THAT drug market? Pay no attention to the first sketch, which looks like a middle aged man, Mr. X. It was also asked How did BG get across that knee-high stream in the middle of winter without nearly getting hypothermia? The girls would have also been subject to hypothermia?? Its a very rare occurrence, only 1.3% of the victims is left in an unusual, corrected position. Long, 22 pages. I am sure the person you and Mr. Lindsay are speculating who BG is, is spot on. The date of the crime and the time of the abduction are both 2-13. DELPHI, Ind. You cannot keep your own story straight. We all stumble over our words sometimes. I think this whole crime scene was severely compromised but still doable He detailed other information about the crime scene, and the differences in the girls' apparent injuries. Ron Logan: Enough already. He took an undocumented deer trail and evaded the encountering of any individual upon his departure. Senior high school: First years unknown but graduated from Delphi High School in 1984-85. Police investigating the mysterious Delphi, Indiana, murders are looking for the person who, they said, created fake Snapchat and Instagram profiles, posed as a wealthy male model and contacted underage girls. Allen told investigators on Oct. 13, 2022, that he wore jeans and a blue or black Carhartt jacket that day, according to the probable cause affidavit. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. I read your recent blogs about the Delphi murders, and you have a ton of info. Clothing soaked in blood, seen and unseen. All Rights Reserved. He killed a woman. Indiana State Police told ABC News on Tuesday: "Out of respect for the prosecutorial process, which is being led by the Carroll County prosecutor, we are refraining from making any public statements and are going to allow the probable cause affidavit to stand on its own. His wife has taken to social media lately, pleading with people to stop harassing them and insisting he had nothing to do with this crime. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. She wanted to meet up with him. Do the searchers who found the bodies know if they were posed? Thanks. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. Gas station attendant noticed something off with him, but hasnt made the connection! Neither Kegan nor Tony Kline can be placed at the bridge on that day or on any other day for that matter. I doubt it. Ok how on Earth do they know that BG shot 43 seconds of audio unless that rumor about sending the crime film to the phones is true? The bodies were dumped near flowing water, creeks or rivers. Its burgundy. Ive seen some FB exchanges from BP where like you say, she appears to be defending Mr X or at least in denial that he could be a suspect. That person is probably some local creep getting revenge since those girls parents were into the same bullchit. A previous report noted, in stunning news, that the killer had known Libby for 3-4 months before the murders via social media. He is described as a white male aged between 16 and 40 years old, between 5 6 and 5 10 in height and weighing between 180 and 200 pounds. Why would they NOT want to look for those types of things in a child murder with likely sa involved? Via LE Source A, we learned that LE has only recently started to believe that BG (Mr. X) is also responsible for the Evansdale Murders. Kline is being held in jail after being arrested on separate child porn charges in 2020. I dont get it. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Now, Im not a member of LE, and I have never claimed to have investigation experience, but I believe Im a fairly intelligent person with at least average reasoning skills. Yes, the police have told us that they now think that Bridge Guy or Mr. X did Evansdale too. They have most recently stated that they want to avoid double jeopardy. I found your article very interesting and thought provoking. The crime scene photos have been widely trashed as paraedolia. Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Photos of Abby Williams, left, and Libby German, right, at police headquarters in Delphi, Indiana. I cant see where this is! Isnt that logical. Then he needed 2-3 months of therapy to work through this traumatic experience. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. And I happen to be trained as a Journalist. Investigators tracked Logans activities on the day of the murders and determined he was not forthcoming. This would explain how he could control two teens from running away as well as using a fake gun and badge. The sheriffs deputy did not work on the case. They also acknowledge that SSA, or same sex attraction is a logical process for a lot of men. Oh, one more thing. We believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there. This just doesnt bode well for him, I mean ESPECIALLY if you consider that he asked to search the Logan property and came up empty-handed. I get it. Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. Can we prove it? Did the girls have wet clothes where they were found? "I didn't waaaaaant to, but I didn't want to be called a liiiiiiiiar". Hey Robert, absolutely love reading your blogs. See video. Some insist that this is merely a coincidence, but apparently LE do not think it is coincidental. Everything We Know About The Unsolved Delphi Murders. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. There is also no indication as to who took the snap on the Monon High Bridge Trail. I think the girls met up with BG somewhere on that trail before they got onto the bridge. They seriously posted photos just so they could retain cool points. Twice they were wrong. These crimes are often a great big game to these guys, and they often try to insert clever little coincidences into their crimes, probably just to freak people out and make themselves seem diabolically clever, evil geniuses. Sorry, Ive been a bit down lately. They just accept everyone as long as you say youre straight. Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? I thought nobody looked like the BG in the actual video than PB (especially compared to that FB image with a deer)But now, not a chanceKirts fits that mofo better than allIts in the cheeks, the spit, etcThe cops have known for a while its him too I think. The LE source below is an LE sources close to the Delphi Murders investigation. Old Abigail Abby Williams. It is on the girls cellphones, but if you listen to it, you will just hear a bunch of unintelligible garble. He had his keys with him, so why didnt he move his truck when they asked him to instead of lying and saying he couldnt because he had lost his keys?
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